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Hi! I am trying to arrange a piece for flute, piano and horn in F.
(the piece is Evergreen, I know its not classical, but maybe someone can help)

I have the music arranged exactly the way I want it...but neither I, nor my music mentor can agree on which key they all need to be in.

I have horn with 4 sharps, and flute and Piano in C major....

Can anyone suggest which key each instrument needs to be in? I only have a single horn, and it won't go up above F. (the F at the top of the staff). I can get to F#. My horn also won't go below the low F. So I have 2 octaves to play with.

Can anyone help me??

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I don't know the range of the piece, but a useful way of working this out is to remember that C on the horn is concert pitch F, ( on the piano); a horn part should always be in one more sharp than the piano part.
So if you want the piano part to be in C, then the horn part will be in G. If you want the horn in E, then the piano part is in A.
I always make a transposition chart when doing this kind of stuff: write a chromatic scale out over one octave for the piano, then underneath, aligning the notes accurately, write the matching chromatic scale for whatever instrument you are transposing to/from. I.e. for horn, write a C chromatic scale starting at F on the piano chromatic scale. This will tell you which note corresponds with which; especially useful with accidentals!
Hope this helps
Sue

Thank you very much for the information on this. I got the music from a midi, then converted it with Finale, and arranged the parts to my liking. Only thing I could not do was the correct key signature. I will try your advice. Thank you again!

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highly impressed with your computer knowledge! Anyone who can work out that lot will find transposition a doddle, once you get used to it!
I never managed to work any of those notation programmes, I must admit. It's quicker for me to grab pen and manuscript...
Sue

Ugh, I hate writing for horn...it's always so confusing and time consuming...but um, if the concert pitch instruments are in C, shouldn't the horn be in F? (One flat...) Wait...now I'm confused...your writing for French Horn, right???

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You might be confusing the pitch of the instrument ( F in this case) with a key. No connection! (Otherwise horn players would only have to learn one scale!)

Because the horn is notated as a transposing instrument ( a relic from the days of crooks), it is referred to as being 'in' F. (nothing to do with any key, hang in with me here....)

Horn in F refers to the pitch of the harmonic series of the tubing, and by convention with horns the first, second and fourth harmonics are referred to as C by the horn player, when it is actually concert F. So if C on the horn is F on the piano, then a horn will always be notated in one sharp more than the piano.

Same notation convention applies for Bb trumpets, and their relatives in various pitches; the number of sharps different from concert pitch will vary according to the pitch of the trumpet.

DOESN'T apply for trombones (Bb and Eb) and tubas (Bb, C, Eb, F), we notate in concert pitch.

Sue

oh my....I am still all confused...is there a place I could post my arrangement where someone smarter than I could look, and tell me which keys I need to be in??? lolol

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Sure, post it here and I'll take a look at it. Ihave some experiance transposing arranging etc.....

I'll take look at it and try to help!

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Ok, thank you, I will... how do I do that? Cut and paste onto the board? It is in Finale format. (I've not posted sheet music before...blush)

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Whrn you post, there is a button on the bottom called "Manage Attachments"

Click that and go from there....

Which Finale version is it in?

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