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Old 03-10-2006, 04:33 PM
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I understand.... but it's anyway weird that a lot of our customers
ask music for euphonium in "treble clef". Is that a common practice? What'; more common? Write it in treble or bass clef?

Thank you for your thoughts.

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I understand.... but it's anyway weird that a lot of our customers
ask music for euphonium in "treble clef". Is that a common practice? What'; more common? Write it in treble or bass clef?

Thank you for your thoughts.

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There's another little catch: Orchestral euph. players will usually read bass, but bands, ensembles etc. will somtimes want treble. Too much confusion if you ask me....




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There's another little catch: Orchestral euph. players will usually read bass, but bands, ensembles etc. will somtimes want treble. Too much confusion if you ask me....



Of course, I see now... actually euphoniums are not used very much in orchestras, here's the confusion. In orchestra usually is the normal tuba in C in bass clef to be used instead. So, I think the best thing to do is to offer both parts for euphonium: bass and treble clefs parts.

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Of course, I see now... actually euphoniums are not used very much in orchestras, here's the confusion. In orchestra usually is the normal tuba in C in bass clef to be used instead. So, I think the best thing to do is to offer both parts for euphonium: bass and treble clefs parts.

Thank you again.

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standard practice is to notate tubas of all pitches in bass clef, and euphoniums and baritones also in bass clef.

The reason you may get asked for euphonium and tuba parts in treble clef is due to the British brass band system, where Eb and Bb tubas are notated in transposed treble clef, and euphoniums in Bb transposed treble clef. This system evolved to give the same fingering pattern across all instruments: i.e. E is always 1st and 2nd etc, no matter what the concert pitch name of the note, in the same way that the saxophone family is transposed today. This enabled players to transfer easily from one instrument to another, across the whole band.

However, orchestral (and most wind band parts) are almost always in concert pitch bass clef, and as you said, the main difference is range. The euphonium is a tenor tuba, and is often called such orchestrally. (However the standard editions of many major Strauss works give the euphonium part in transposed bass clef! The less said about that the better! Some very recent editions are adding a concert pitch bass clef part)

Tenor clef is used in the same way as in trombone parts; i.e. to minimise excessive leger lines.

Range shouldn't be too much of a worry in any arrangements;we have all pitches of tuba available, and euphoniums with good chops! If you'd like range suggestions let me know.
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Thank you so much sue for your clear explanation, finally i understood how handle those instruments. I always had been confused by how to write for them, despite the fact I studied orchestration for several years, but only today I have understood.

Of course, if more advice is needed, I'll ask you.

Thank you again very much!

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